Science!!!

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Science!!!

Postby Zephyr190 on Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:07 pm

Firstly, I'll preface this with something I posted to Facebook.

Just to clarify a few things for those of you wondering about CERN.
1) Physics has not been broken, this simply demonstrates phenomena which currently are not accounted for. Both special and general relativity will still be used due to their agreement with experimental data in most circumstances.
2) Neutrinos have mass. For simplicity they are often treated as massless particles to simplify the models, but in a strictly formal sense they have mass.
3) This isn't the first experimental data to suggest a flaw in Einstein's theories, this sort of thing has been going on for a while. However the reproducibility of the experiment along with the sheer amount of data make this far less easy to ignore. The fact that it got lots of publicity by being linked to CERN also helped.
4) This is wicked cool. Feynman would be pleased.


That said, this is really interesting and awesomely cool. For a massive particle to travel faster than the speed of light is something never thought possible. Quantum wavefunctions can, information is a possibility, but an actual particle!

If you haven't seen, due to the fact you've had no communication with the outside world for the past couple of days, here's a decent news article about it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/8782 ... light.html

More in depth is the CERN website, which has been reporting a plenty on the discovery http://public.web.cern.ch/public/

There is a load of excess stuff along with, such as the idea that the particles would have been travelling backwards through time. Which is cool if you're into that stuff, but the theory is a bit wishy washy at the best of times.

Even more exciting is that somewhere I always wanted to visit, but their main experiment got decommissioned recently, may be recommissioned to verify the results. Yes, the best accelerator-detector setup would be between Fermilab, Illinois and SNOLab, Sudbury. Is this discovery big enough to merit the amount of cash required to reactivate the Tevatron accelerator? I'm definitely hoping the answer is yes!
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Re: Science!!!

Postby Dave on Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:59 pm

I have nothing constructive to say, but my reaction is, "HOLY SHIT!!"
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Re: Science!!!

Postby MadCat on Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:27 pm

It would be nice if, as a species, we would spend more of our time and money on research, learning, culture, art, etc., and less on trying to kill each other or screw each other out of the aforementioned time and money. So good luck on that, would be cool if they'd restart the labs and look into this!
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Re: Science!!!

Postby blackfirefox on Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:39 am

Hot damn, that is awesome. All I can say really.
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Re: Science!!!

Postby Zephyr190 on Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:55 am

Nice one Dave and blackfirefox, have you considered a job in science? Those are pretty much the reactions of every physicist in the world.

Oh Madcat, how I dream of the day when the governments of the world will hand out money based on how good it will be for humanity, rather than military applications. Hopefully we'll live to see it.
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Re: Science!!!

Postby Dave on Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:01 pm

Hmm... I would consider a career in the sciences, except that my observations would lead to me to conclude that every phenomenon is the work of:

A) Magic

B) The Gods

C) Fuck if I know


But seriously... nothing travels faster than light... except that these neutrinos totally just did... HOLY SHIT!!
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Re: Science!!!

Postby Zephyr190 on Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:09 am

I'm going to go ahead and tell my friends that the 28th sept Direman was inspired by me. If anyone sees them can they just go with that?

Also I just started my dissertation project. Dave has inadvertently made it look awesome since all of the callers I define are named as the three responses he posted. This doesn't mean he gets his name on the paper, but definitely special mentions in the speech after I win seven nobel prizes over four years and at least one beard of the year award.
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Re: Science!!!

Postby Yino on Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:39 pm

So, no they didn't.
Einstein still rules. http://gizmodo.com/5887398/a-loose-cabl ... icles-test
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Re: Science!!!

Postby Zephyr190 on Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:53 am

Yino wrote:So, no they didn't.
Einstein still rules. http://gizmodo.com/5887398/a-loose-cabl ... icles-test

Gutted, I at least thought it'd be something cool, like the metrology. Shit, I think the idiot bet just won the sweepstake :(.
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